Some people have to do it outside of the usual time. And when I look at some very influential and, you know, progressive people in the accessibility community, most of them say that they started first doing it themselves and then had to bring it to the company and be like, this is it. I think that one of the biggest problems is that there's no structure for accessibility programs. So it's very difficult to know what the company wants to ask you for. But if you start with something, you try it out and it works. It's much easier than for a company to like, oh, OK, well, you've got the blueprint, let's go for it. But it would take somebody to like have their own initiative. And that's not easy.
I found from personal experience because I've suffered from carpal tunnel before. And every now and then I can't use my keyboard. But it's so funny that I don't think about how accessible my apps are until I can't even use them. Yes, exactly. I've also at work, I've also run what I call accessibility empathy labs. And I stole that idea from Skyscanner. I saw a video by them. And you basically just sit your team down for 30 minutes and you challenge them. And like, use the keyboard only, you know, for like 10 minutes or you put some apps that you can use that blur the screen or cover the screen and say, well, try and navigate our website and see how it feels.
I think if people actually feel it themselves, it might be something that they then remember. Like, instead of just go look at the guide, like that thing is very difficult to read. I don't like to read it myself. But when you start telling people, OK, well, the fact that you can't get through this thing is how everybody lives every day. Maybe then we start to realize that, yeah, this is not fun anymore. Nice. Have you ever done like blindfolds in those sessions? Not blindfolds, but I'm able to like make the screen black. Yeah. And I found a really cool game actually that does like a simulation of some of these things. It's really fun. Yeah. So make it fun.
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